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Emma vs Clueless

3/5/2021

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Comparing Emma and Clueless was a lot of fun as they're both pretty enjoyable. How do you feel about them. Let us know below and we'll give you a shoutout in our next episode!

Here's the article from The Guardian I mention that talks about Jane Austen being revolutionary.

Here's the article from Screen Rant Lindsey mentioned that ranks the adaptations of Emma from best to worst.

Episode Transcript

Alicia Maruri 0:00
Hey, you're listening to From Cover to Reel the podcast started by a virgin who can't even drive.

Welcome to From Cover To Reel. It's actually the podcast where we compare books to their movie adaptations. And I'm your host, Alicia Maruri. been on a break for a little bit, but we're back

Lindsey  0:31
And we're ready to roll. And today.

Alicia Maruri 0:34
Yeah. Today I'm joined by my sister, Lindsey Hannon.

Lindsey 0:40
Yeah, a very special guest.

Alicia Maruri  0:43
Very special.

Yeah. And today we're gonna discuss a beloved classic book. Some say it was revolutionary. I read a little article about it, where they were comparing the author to Proust, which I've only ever heard of Proust. It's Proust right? from Gilmore Girls. I don't read that. And James Joyce, and other authors like that. So they called this author, a revolutionary. And she's one of the most famous women in literary in the literary world, I would say, literary history. And we're talking about one of this books, movie counterparts, because it has a few.- Even -

Lindsey  1:44
this one is the best one.

Alicia Maruri 1:46
Yeah. And it's widely considered by us to be a perfect movie,

Lindsey  1:52
widely considered.

Alicia Maruri  1:57
If you haven't guessed by now we're discussing. Jane Austen's Emma, and Amy Heckerling's clueless.

Lindsey  2:06
The best movie adaptation of a book of all time.

Alicia Maruri 2:13
Yeah, it's good. It's funny, because if you were going to read it on, like,how close they got everythingt to how it happens in the book. Probably be like, a B, I'd say.

Lindsey  2:31
Maybe even a C plus a C plus.

Alicia Maruri  2:35
But it's a perfect movie. So we'll talk about that. Yeah, so Emma was written in 1815 by Jane Austen. And when did Clueless come out? '90...

Lindsey 2:53
'95

Alicia Maruri  2:54
Hmmm '95. stars, Alicia Silverstone and Brittany Murphy. breckin. Meyer.

Lindsey 3:04
And the great. Paul Rudd.

Alicia Maruri  3:06
Yeah. And Paul Rudd. And also, Stacey dash. And I'm blanking his name. He was on scrubs. He's hilarious. Donald Faison, a lot of people. Oh, and Justin Walker. Also Wallace Shawn is in it. He's hilarious. A lot of really good cast.

Lindsey  3:37
Yep that's what made it such a great movie. They really picked a very strong cast.

Alicia Maruri  3:44
Yeah. I'm just like, looking at the cast. I'm like, Wow. Okay.So what are your first thoughts about the movie book adaptation thing?

Lindsey  3:58
I think the reason that it does so well is because it's in a modern setting. And instead of trying to be like, oh, here's the book is a movie. It's like, here's the idea of this book, taking place in modern day. And so the story itself of someone that's meddling and things she shouldn't be meddling in and is totally clueless about people. And their feelings and life in general. really works in a high school setting. And I think that's why it translates so well. And I think that's why it's so good, even though it's not, like, it deviates a lot from the book. Right? But that's why it works.

Alicia Maruri 4:46
Yeah. I have to agree, I think put it in a modern setting was genius. Because it's a book that people still love to read and, like, you know, there's some movies made about it. But I think it'll help. It helps you relate to it more?

Lindsey  5:10
Yeah,

Alicia Maruri 5:10
like it's timeless in that way. The source material is because people, although our technology has changed, people have been acting the same way for a long time.

Lindsey  5:25
Hundreds of years.

Alicia Maruri 5:27
Yeah.

Lindsey 5:29
I just wish I could do it with Cher's closet.

Alicia Maruri  5:32
I know. I know. Just like computer thing where it can show you the clothes on you. And it's like,"that's ugly."

Lindsey  5:44
Yeah.

Alicia Maruri  5:45
That would be nice. Okay, so how do you well you I guess you said it changed. But overall, like the main points of the source material, how well do you think the movie covered it?

Lindsey  5:59
I think it does a really good job of staying true to the essence of the book.

Alicia Maruri  6:05
Yeah,

Lindsey  6:05
Cher, Cher is like a perfect Emma. Like you update Emma and make her a teenager in Beverly Hills High School. And she's Cher to a tee.

Alicia Maruri 6:18
Yeah. What about all the other characters?

Lindsey 6:24
So when I was reading and then watching I was trying to figure out who was who since so many, the names are different. Right? So like Stacey, Stacey Dash's character Dee, I think is supposed to be Cher's sister and her former nanny Mrs. Weston.

Alicia Maruri 6:43
Mm hmm.

Lindsey  6:46
And I-

Alicia Maruri  6:48
Travis is Mr. Martin.

Lindsey  6:51
Yeah. And then Tai is Harriet Josh. Knightley Elton Elton.

Alicia Maruri 6:59
What?! Cher's dad is Emma's Dad.What do you think the like of the teacher she gets together? Was that supposed to be like her getting Mr. And Mrs. Weston together?

Lindsey 7:14
I think it was but then because the relationship she had with them was so distant. I felt like they took that relationship that she had with Mrs. Weston and meshed it into her relationship with Dee.

Alicia Maruri 7:29
Yeah.

Lindsey 7:31
It was just her best friend. Like Mrs. Weston was.

Alicia Maruri 7:37
Right. I always thought it was kind of weird at the end. How they were all the bridesmaids.

Lindsey 7:42
I know. I was like, does she have any friends?

Alicia Maruri  7:46
I mean, yeah, I would have invited them because they like, brought us together.You know. In their way, but put 'em in like, "Oh, yeah, this 16 year old student of mine was my bridesmaid." Yeah, so different world, I guess.

Lindsey 8:04
And that's one thing that, you know, when I first saw the movie, and I'm like, I probably didn't see it right when it came out because I was 10 years old. But, um, you know, in my younger days, when I first saw it, didn't think anything of it. But now as I watch it as an adult, I was like, Why is she her bridesmaid?

Alicia Maruri  8:26
Yeah, it's okay, though. It's still a perfect movie. And then, how do you like, do you think Dee was a good representation of Mrs. Weston and Emma's sister, Isabella?

Lindsey 8:44
Yeah.

Alicia Maruri  8:47
I mean, she was they were both mostly in the book just to like, feed in Emma's

Lindsey 8:54
Cluelessness?

Alicia Maruri  8:55
Cluelessness.

Lindsey 8:56
Like they, they boosted her ego.

Alicia Maruri  8:59
Yeah. They both just like, "Oh, I think this thing but you think that so you're probably right." Because

Lindsey 9:07
Yeah, I mean, I think Dee really does that, like she encourages Tai to let Cher give her a makeover because they're so good at it. And then she encourages her to go after Christian who's, you know, Frank Churchill in the book, cuz she's just like, He's perfect for you. Right? So I think she's always encouraging Cher and treating Cher, like, you know, you're the greatest You're the best.

Alicia Maruri 9:38
Right

Lindsey 9:38
at the same time being like very strong minded herself and like, you know, independent woman,puts man in his place, kind of thing.

Alicia Maruri  9:51
Yeah. And then you said you didn't think at first he didn't think the dad was a good representation of Emma's Dad in the book.

Lindsey 10:01
Well, yeah, and the book is just like the sad old hypochondriac who doesn't want anybody to do anything. And then in the movie, he's an angry lawyer. Maybe as a lawyer I just took offense.

Alicia Maruri  10:17
Aren't all lawyers angry?

Lindsey 10:20
and sad? hype? hypochondriac? Yep, that's me.

Alicia Maruri 10:27
Yeah, I thought it fit because I was trying to imagine what, what would be the modern equivalent of someone who doesn't want you to do anything? Like don't eat cake. Don't go out in the rain. Don't go out in the sun.

Lindsey 10:43
Don't eat dinner.

Alicia Maruri  10:44
Don't have a party. Don't get married.

Lindsey 10:48
My favorite is don't eat dinner.

Alicia Maruri 10:49
Yeah. And I was just like, I think it makes sense, because he's still very overprotective of Cher. He threatens Christian and he like has a curfew for her. You know, he's over protective. And still loving and then Cher still has to take care of him. She feels this obligation to him. So I thought it was a good.

Lindsey 11:22
He does, like., because he still spoils her. Because he's he is one of the other people, like, Emma's dad is one of the ones that's like, Emma has no fault in his eyes. And that's how his dad is in the movies still. Cher's faultless.

Alicia Maruri 11:41
It's funny when he congratulates her on like, what? Not bartering but arguing her way into better grades. And he's like, "good job," or whatever. I forget exactly what he says. But he's proud of her for that. And I'm like, That's really funny. But it was a different time in the 90s. Like how grading happened. It's not the same as today.

Lindsey 12:09
Yeah. And I think especially in a wealthy school, it's probably just a very different world.

Alicia Maruri 12:15
Yeah, that's funny. What do you think of Travis being a stoner? Mr. Martin's a farmer. I'm kind of seen a correlation there.

Lindsey 12:31
Well, it's funny because in the book, Mr. Martin is a very respectable person, but Emma sees him as beneath her because he's not part of high society. And so I think if you just look at Mr. Martin and Travis you like that doesn't make sense. Unless you're Alicia and think that all farmers are potheads. But I think in terms of like looking at the high school, the posh rich Beverly Hills High school setting where Cher's this gorgeous popular girl and he's like, you know, the the flunky stoner that it makes sense because she's gonna view him as beneath her, and not good enough for her friend tie. So it translates well, because of the setting that they put the story in.

Alicia Maruri 13:23
Yeah, I agree. And in the end, he does get his redemption. I don't think all farmers are potheads. I think it's like...you grow stuff. He grows weed. I don't know. In my head it made sense. And then I think that Tai was a really good interpretation of Harriet cuz she just kind of goes along with whatever Cher says. Just like Harriet did.And she's just kind of flighty and like she never really liked Elton, either Harriet or Tai, but share slash Emma just put that into her like, oh, Elton likes you. Once you hear someone likes you. You're like, Huh, maybe. But Tai just took it to the extreme because she wanted to, Tai and Harriet both, wanted to please. Emma/Cher.

Lindsey 14:25
Yeah. just wanted to be part of her world.

Alicia Maruri 14:27
Yeah. So I think too Brittany Murphy was also the perfect person to play Tai. She was perfect in that role. Yeah.

Lindsey 14:41
Brittany Murphy.

Alicia Maruri 14:44
RIP.

Okay. Any other characters you want to talk about? I guess we could talk about Mr. Knightley and Josh.

Lindsey 14:54
Should we talk about Christian first?

Alicia Maruri 14:56
Oh, yeah, probably.

Lindsey 14:58
All right. We were discussing Before how they made him gay,and and I just really think that that was the perfect way to pull that off. Because obviously, as a high school kid, you can't have like a secret engagement. And even like a secret girlfriend would be sort of dumb and not make any sense. Right? So just being like, well, he seems like this perfect guy, but then you find out he's gay. is I think the best way to translate that to the high school setting.

Alicia Maruri  15:32
Yeah. Especially because in the 90s, then he probably would have felt more compelled to keep that a secret. Just thinking about, you know, you're coming off the AIDS epidemic, and people are not very accepting of gay people. So it was a good way to make you think about it. I think like, what are people not accepting in modern times? Compared to? Not ancient times, but less modern times?

Lindsey 16:03
To 1815 times?

Alicia Maruri  16:05
Yeah. So funny to think like, "Oh, I had to hide who I was engaged to." like you're the Hatfields and McCoys or something.

Lindsey 16:15
I still never really understood why they did that.

Alicia Maruri 16:20
Because his aunt who was raising him, Frank Churchill's aunt, wanted him to marry some high society girl. But Jane was bound to be just a teacher, just a teacher, rude

Lindsey 16:37
Just a teacher!

Alicia Maruri  16:38
Rude. I take offense to that as a former teacher. The rest of her life like she had nodowry, she had nothing. She was an orphan who lived with a talker. Well, she didn't really live with her aunt.

Lindsey 16:57
She didn't live with her aunts and that her aunt and her grandma, (she lived with). And that's why For me, it just like didn't make sense, because I'm like, well, she lives with these really wealthy people that are probably gonna leave her something.

Alicia Maruri  17:09
But they didn't. That was the thing. They only paid for her schooling. That's all they could do for her.

Lindsey 17:16
I feel like they're probably gonna leave or something anyway.

Alicia Maruri  17:19
They might, except for now that she has Frank. She doesn't need them to. So That was the thing, I think, and his aunt seemed really controlling.

Lindsey 17:32
Yeah, she did keep him from his father for (ever). Whole life.

Alicia Maruri  17:36
So weird.Well, yeah, that was weird.

Lindsey 17:43
Yeah, she's a snob.

Alicia Maruri  17:46
She's dead.

Lindsey 17:48
So we got rid of her.

Alicia Maruri  17:51
I thought that was clever in the movie to how they said, "Oh, well, he has to spend you know, fall winter with his dad in this city. And then he'll come here later for half the other half of the year." And that's how they did the thing where Frank Churchill was like living with his and but his dad was here. That was a confusing story, too. I was like you, Jane, kind of are stretching that one. Because I kind of agree with Mr. Knightley. Like Frank Churchill was a grown man. If he had just been like, "I'm going to see my dad." He could have done that.

Lindsey 18:32
Yeah, but I think that was the thing you learn in the book is Frank Churchill's not a horrible person, but he is kind of a flake. Yeah, like, he's kind of mean to Jane. Like, why are you being mean to her? If you're so in love with her and what you're planning on marrying her?

Alicia Maruri  18:50
Well, yeah, cuz she almost broke it off with him because of all that.

Lindsey 18:55
Yeah. So Jane's.

Alicia Maruri  18:57
James, like, I know what I'm worth. That's not it.

Lindsey 19:05
Yeah.

Alicia Maruri  19:07
Okay. Okay, now, do you want to talk about Josh and, and Mr. Knightley? Yeah. Paul Rudd

Lindsey 19:17
I just wanted to get the secondary characters out of the way. Before we talk about Paul Rudd,

Alicia Maruri  19:30
Paul Rudd

Lindsey 19:33
he should have like a little jingle like that.

Alicia Maruri  19:37
He's Paul's Rudd. He never ages

Lindsey 19:43
He's Paul Rudd, he could play Mr. Knightley and the 2020 movie.

Alicia Maruri  19:51
Look at us.

Yeah, okay. I think it was really clever how they made him her ex stepbrother. Instead of her brother in law's brother, which wouldn't have been a stretch to do either. But I think that maybe would have been too many characters for a movie.

Lindsey 20:19
Well, yeah, I mean, since they got rid of her sister, and D was kind of her sister, he would have been the brother of Murry,

Alicia Maruri  20:29
of Murry.

Lindsey 20:30
And I think then it's like, well, why would she really be that close to Murry's brother? Yeah. You know, cuz she doesn't even really seem that close to Murry. Right? She's just close to Dee. And so making it like her ex stepbrother, so he used to live in the house with her, so she knew him pretty well. And it seemed like the other redeeming quality of her dad was like, Josh says that, you know, Mel's The only person who's ever cared about me. Right? And that's why he keeps coming around. And also because he's in love with the Cher,

Alicia Maruri  21:06
but I don't think he knew it either, though,

Lindsey 21:09
For while Yeah. I'm glad they made him younger, though, because I'm still creeped out by the fact in the book. Knightley is like, "I've loved you since you were 13." And since he's like, 16 years older than her, and I'm like, that's creepy, dude. I mean, overall, I like nightly better than like Mr. Darcy. But like that's a little bit creepy.

Alicia Maruri  21:35
Truly, Truly. Overall, I'd say the character interpretations to the movie. I'd give it a solid like 'A' for me. Because I think they're all just really good.

Lindsey 21:55
And even amber as Mrs. Elton.

Alicia Maruri 21:58
Yeah. And she's like, hardly in the movie. But she does make a big impact. Yeah, we're like, "Wow, she's more snobby and shallow than Cher."

Lindsey 22:10
Yeah. And like really abrasive. Yeah. But they still hang out with her sometimes. So that's the thing is like, Why do you keep her around if you can't stand her, but it works. Because I feel like people do that in high school.

Alicia Maruri  22:27
All the time. For me, I think the movie was much more entertaining than the book.To me the book dragged up parts. When I saw it was like, I listened to it, and it was like 15 hours. I was like, "really? 15 hours?" So then I started listening to it. I was like, "Wow. This is longer than it needs to be."

Lindsey 22:59
Could have been half as long.

Alicia Maruri  23:01
Yeah, there is one half as long. It looks like the radio dramatization with Emma Thompson and stuff. I think you listened to that as a refresher, because you've already read Emma.

Lindsey 23:15
I started listening to it. And then I just found the book on audible and just listen to it on like one and a half speed.

Alicia Maruri  23:23
Yeah, that's what I did, too.

Lindsey 23:25
Which made it less than 15 hours long.

Alicia Maruri  23:28
Yeah, I do like they. I do like that they left out Mrs. Bates and Jane. Because even though Mrs. Bates gave you clues as to what was going on with Christian and, not Christian, Frank and Jane, I felt like that wasn't really necessary in the movie. And maybe those are kind of some of the parts that were dragging in the book because she just talks and talks and talks. So

Lindsey 23:56
yeah, but I mean, in the book, she is the catalyst for me to realize she's kind of a snob because mean to her at that party, and then nightly yells at her.

Alicia Maruri 24:08
True.Do you think there's anything the movie totally messed up about the book?

Lindsey 24:15
No,

Alicia Maruri 24:17
Me neither. It's a perfect movie. And honestly, there's usually at least one thing like even, you know, in really good movies like Harry Potter or whatever. I mean, I guess Harry Potter's not really good movies, but

Lindsey 24:33
we just love the books.

Alicia Maruri  24:36
Like people love the third Harry Potter movie.

Lindsey 24:41
That doesn't make any sense.

Alicia Maruri  24:43
And I'm like, that's the worst one. But okay. Anyways, I digress. Okay, so I'm just going to ask you, what do you like better the book or the movie?

Lindsey 24:55
That's a hard question for me because even though clueless is based off of Emma, It's hard for me to compare them because the movie is still so different from the book. That it's not to me like when I watch a Harry Potter movie, and I'm like, the books obviously better than this. It's just like, the book is the book and the movie is the movie. So I don't know.

I think because like I like Emma. I think I even like it better than Pride and Prejudice. But, I mean, Jane Austen can be kind of a slow read sometimes. And I think that was just like the style of her time. So I guess it's easy for me to not really hold that against her. But the movie is faster paced and more fun and funny. Like the freeway scene is so classic,

Alicia Maruri  25:55
Iconic. Yeah. And don't we all feel like that, like the first time you drove on the freeway? That's what I was thinking of. Like, in Driver's Ed, I had to get on the freeway, and I was screaming inside. You don't want to do that.

Lindsey 26:09
Yeah, it's scary.

Alicia Maruri  26:12
I feel like any teenager who's driving will get that scene. Relate to forever and ever. So funny. I love it. For me, it's the movie just because I don't think I'll ever read Emma again. It was just for the reasons I already said. But I will probably watch clueless at least annually, maybe more

Lindsey 26:47
every day for the rest of my life.

Alicia Maruri  26:51
And it's funny, because it's not my favorite movie ever. It's probably in my Top Movies. But Jurassic Park is my favorite movie, but I wouldn't even call Jurassic Park a perfect movie. I just really love it. And I love dinosaurs. So that's probably why. But it's good at scaring you. Anyways, we already talked about Jurassic Park. Yeah, go back and listen to that one in our very first episode. So, but clueless is a perfect movie. It doesn't mean it's my favorite. But I do love it. And I do know people who it is their favorite movie. Why do you think books get made into movies just in a more broader- in a more broad senses? Not specifically just Clueless?

Lindsey 27:48
Well, I think there's a few reasons. I think when people read books, they imagine the story in their mind. And some people have the time and talent and money want to bring that to life. And then people just want to capitalize like, you write a book and everyone's reading it. So you know, they're gonna go see the movie. Like, I went and saw every Harry Potter movie. And I liked them, even though I like the books better, but I still went and gave them my money.

Alicia Maruri 28:17
Mm hmm.

Lindsey 28:18
So that's why I think people make books into movies is to capitalize, they know they're going to profit off of it. Yeah. And then some people it just feeds their creative juices like I think, you know, like Amy Heckerling, just taking this book that's been around for 200 plus years and being like, I think this story would even work in a modern setting.

Alicia Maruri 28:42
Mm hmm.

Lindsey 28:43
So she did it. And it did work

Alicia Maruri 28:47
perfectly.

Lindsey 28:47
Yeah.

Alicia Maruri 28:51
I agree. I think the first reason like that a major studio especially would pick up a book and make it into a movie is just capitalizing on Well, you've already got this big fan base, like Harry Potter, Hunger Games, Divergent, which they really messed up that deal. But anyways, but also I think someone's reading a book. And they're like, just like you said, they have this vision of how they can make it into a film. And it doesn't have to be an exact copy but it's their interpretation of the emotions the book made them feel maybe the themes I think a good example of like contrasting those two ideas would be like oh, let's capitalize on something would be Ella Enchanted. We have an episode about Ella Enchanted but they're like

Lindsey 29:56
You can hear all about how I hate that movie.

Alicia Maruri 30:02
The funny thing is I liked the movie, but it is nothing like the book. And so they were. It was purely just, this has a fan base. We're gonna get all these people to see the movie. Let's make a movie about it.

Lindsey 30:18
And it doesn't matter that they're gonna leave enraged, we'll already have their money by then.

Alicia Maruri 30:23
Exactly. And then there's people like Amy Heckerling makes Clueless. this book's been around forever. Yes, there's multiple adaptations of Emma.

Lindsey 30:35
Might be the first one. It came out before that Gweneth Paltrow version did.

Alicia Maruri 30:41
Yeah, I don't know. I always assumed the BBC has done one before. But I haven't researched that carefully this time. Just because they always do. You know, (it's true.) But I think they were probably well anyways. Yeah. She just imagined it how it could work. And it did. And it wasn't like, necessary, like it is capitalizing on. Yeah, people love Emma. But also it wasn't because it was never marketed that way. As this is an Emma adaptation. I don't know if people would have been so keen on it. They might have turned on it if it was.

Lindsey 31:29
Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

Alicia Maruri 31:32
When did like Baz Luhrmann Romeo and Juliet and O, for Othello like that? The Julia Stiles Othello one.

Lindsey 31:42
I think those all came out after clueless.

Alicia Maruri 31:44
Mm hmm.

Lindsey 31:46
And they're not as good.

Alicia Maruri 31:48
I didn't ever see. Oh, I just heard of it.

Lindsey 31:53
They're not as good.

Alicia Maruri 31:56
Yeah, you talked yesterday, you were talking about the Hamlet one.

Lindsey 32:02
Yeah, that one is like really dark. I mean, Hamlet's dark story, but I think the thing is, so I like the Baz Luhrmann, Romeo and Juliet, because it's very stylized, mm, which is just Baz Luhrmann's way. But a lot of them, they try to make it modern. And then they keep the Shakespearean language, which is just a creative choice that they make, I think, but the reason that clueless works so well is because it's just a story. And even like, when I told my husband, we were gonna do this podcast, and he was like, which one are you doing? And I said, Emma, and the movie Clueless. He had no idea that Clueless was based off of Emma. And he's not really the demographic for Clueless, but I think a lot of people were unaware of it. Unless they'd already read the book.You know?

Alicia Maruri 32:55
Yeah, for sure.

Lindsey 32:58
I think that's, that's why it does a lot better, I

Alicia Maruri 33:00
think. Yeah, I don't think I knew until way later. After, I mean, I'd seen the movie hundreds of times, probably and I didn't realize but I think Clueless proves that it can work that way. And it did also in She's the Man. And 12th night 12th 12th 12th 12th night 12th night. I'm trying to you know, teach that stuff to Adriancito. And like the spelling and stuff, so I have to say like every sound really enunciated in every word. Like that's a hard one, but I bet he could spell it 12th but I'm messing it up. Well. Yeah, anyways.

Unknown Speaker 34:01
Okay, so I found this, this article to see which to see what all the versions of Emma are and I guess that the year so the one of Gwyneth Paltrow came out in '96. And A&E had their own version that came out in '96, as well. And then there's the new one that came out last year. And Clueless came out in '95. And they ranked clueless as the best one. Which is true. But, I mean, unless this list is just missing, and an adaptation of it. Those are all the ones that have been done so far. so clueless sort of kicked it off. Yeah. And it's the best one according to Screen Rant.

Alicia Maruri 34:53
I love that because it's true, although I've not seen any other adaptation of Emma.

Lindsey 34:59
So I've seen the Gwyneth Paltrow one. And it's, it's good. I like this better.

Alicia Maruri 35:05
I've heard a lot of people really liked that one. So, yeah, I'm sure it's good, but I don't know. Okay, any other Final Thoughts?

Lindsey 35:18
Long live clueless. Long live Paul Rudd.

Alicia Maruri 35:24
What's your favorite Clueless quote?

Unknown Speaker 35:31
Probably. You're a virgin who can't even drive.

Alicia Maruri 35:38
That's a really good. I don't even know. Like, I really like that one too.

Lindsey 35:48
Or what does her dad say to Christian when it comes to pick up?

Alicia Maruri 35:51
I can't remember exactly.

Lindsey 35:53
about like, I have a shovel and no one will find your body. Yeah. I feel like every dad and 95 that was dragged to see that movie then wrote that line down and saved it. Yeah.

Alicia Maruri 36:07
I like it when he's like, do you like Billie Holiday? And she's like, Oh, yeah, I love him like that.

Lindsey 36:17
Should we leave a note?

Alicia Maruri 36:20
Yeah, and they should have. So I'm failing the driver's ed instructor. That was a teachable moment. And he missed it. He messed up. He dropped the ball. I like how she says that her and Dee are best friends because they both know what it's like to have people be jealous of them for being so beautiful and popular. Something like that. The beginning, we're best friends because we both know what it's like to have people be jealous of us or something like that.

Lindsey 37:02
I think one thing that we talked about yesterday, too, is why Jane Austen wrote Emma.

Alicia Maruri 37:07
Oh, yeah.

Lindsey 37:08
And I thought that was good. So Jane Austen said that she wanted to make a character that no one would like but her. And then she came up with Emma. And then everybody. I mean, Emma's this really popular book now. And I just feel like it's because Emma is, she's kind of she's a spoiled rich girl. And she is clueless. But she's not heartless. (Mm hmm). And so even though she's flawed, it's like, she means well with people like she wants Harriet to have a good match, and get married and everything. So yeah, she can be kind of shallow and spoiled. But she still she has a good heart. And I think that's why it I think it helps remind people that nobody is just one thing, you know, like Emma's a whole person. Right? So that's why she's likable.

Alicia Maruri 38:06
Yeah, I agree that like, it's okay to make mistakes. But you can still be a good person in the end, like, overall. That's why I like try to teach my kids to like, trying to move away from saying, "Oh, that's a bad guy". I'm like, "that's just someone who's making a bad choice." Yeah, because I don't want him to associate. Like, "Oh, that's a bad person." That's a person who's making an unfortunate decision. I think that's like a distinction that our society needs more and more. Yeah, so maybe people should read Emma more. I think that's a reason too people like the book and Clueless is you can see yourself in the character. I do think- I do have to agree. It's revolutionary to make your main character back then. Not this. Perfect, almost like the antihero but not the antihero. I mean, usually-

She's not demure.

Lindsey 39:20
Yeah. Emma kinda has run out of town. They're really, right. And I think the Jane Austen would love clueless.

Alicia Maruri 39:29
I agree. Because it's perfect.

Lindsey 39:33
I think she'd be really happy to see how timeless Her story is. Yeah.

Alicia Maruri 39:42
I concur. I think that's when you're writing something. I think that's a hope you have like that people can enjoy it for ages. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't know, I don't really have anything else to say. This wasn't really a controversial book and movie. But no,

Lindsey
Nope. It was at the time. I mean Jane Austen I think always had to write under a pseudonym pretty much her whole career. Maybe that's why there was pretty much one character named Jane.

Alicia
She's like "This is me." Jane Is always some one kind of nice too and shy.

Lindsey
And perfect and beautiful. She's not conceited you guys. She just knows who she is.

Alicia
THat's right it's fine she knows her worth that's good. Ok well, Thanks for listening

Lindsey
As If

Alicia
"Ugh Gag me with a spoon." What's the other one? "I'm totally buggin'!"

Lindsey
Or when Amber would do the "W" Whatever

Alicia
So classic 90's. You know what you would think that Gen z and aside from like the cell phones. That's what like they're all into now. That's like the aesthetic. So it's like we watched Jumanji the other night which we should do Jumanji for the podcast- but the original one. ANd I was like all the fashion is the same as it is now. It's crazy

Lindsey
Everything just comes full circle.

Alicia
Thanks for listening to From Cover to Reel. If you enjoyed this episode please leave us a good rating. If you didn't, just leave.

Lindsey
But still tell all your friends to come listen to It.

Alicia
If you have any suggestions for book & movie adaptations you'd like to do you can send us an email at fromcovertoreel@gmail.com. or you can go to our blog- We're part of the 3 Winks Design blog you could go there and leave us a comment, on any post we'll see it don't worry. But there is going to be a post associated with this episode. Yeah you could do that.

Lindsey
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Alicia
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Thank you Goodbye, Good night Have a Nice lIfe!

Lindsey
Good Night and Good Luck!

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